you know, the president had a terrible time the first debate and the third debate it seemed like mitt romney was sitting there and trying to remember what had been put in his head. and they both seemed uncomfortable at times. but you go back to lincoln's day and, you know, steven douglas and abraham lincoln debates, the guys would stand up and how long would those -- >> they were three hours, four hours. >> on and on. it is amazing what -- >> but of course lincoln -- you see a little bit of this in the movie because it was an era where you could make gas also. the longer lincoln was in office, the shorter his speeches became. he didn't want to give people an opportunity to pick at his address. the gettysburg address, was all of a minute and a half, the speech before was two and a half hours. you realize lincoln is a practical politician. yes, he's idealistic but he's ultimately a realist and it's about getting things done. the frame of the movie, the passage of the 13th amendment, lincoln was out there writing down votes and how do we get the congressman from ohio and how do we get the congr